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Post by smithy0312 on Apr 28, 2024 19:16:23 GMT
I've said this for many years although we've had good and bad seasons some great football played and some absolutely abysmal we still hold court with some very big teams yes we'd all like to have a seat at the top table and maybe one day we will but not at the cost of destroying the club let's be grateful that the investment made ensures our survival and gives us a glimmer of hope for better things instead of gung ho and bust we're not a club that the authorities would support if things went wrong like Portsmouth Bury and all the other clubs like them Anyway let's hope for a prosperous summer thank you to all those who leave and gud luck for your futures remember I for one will be here next season hope you are too UP THE WHITES
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dawsonsjs
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Post by dawsonsjs on Apr 29, 2024 6:07:12 GMT
There's an ex-Prem club in the National League.
I am not sure how one defines a 'bigger club' these days....it used to be straightforward relating to gates but as gate money is less and less significant these days (partic in the Prem and Championship) I suppose it comes down to a combination of factors including financial turnover, commercial income, transfer activity etc
In this respect the 'bigger' clubs below us are there because of their financial histories.
What we are (thanks to the unappreciated ownership) is a stable club with decent facilities...as long as we remain at least a Champ club I'll take that.....but it won't stop me criticising Lowe's football acumen (or lack of it) and the Academy status and inability to produce our own players.
I'm hoping that Mawene and Best do make a breakthrough next season but the underlying problem facing PNE is size.....and the population base/catchment area being too small |(and facing too much competition) to expect anything more than what we have got...it's why we need exceptional management, not just adequate.
We've all seen what Mckenna has achieved at Ipswich and I've seen what the boss at Wednesday has done....14 points behind when he took over and morale on the floor but with virtually the same squad plus a loan striker has produced play-off form.
As ever I'll renew my season card (even if I got to a state of being unable to attend I'd still do it..I've long regarded the club as my favourite charity) but excited at the prospects next season?..Not at all. It would take some remarkable signings and the end of the iniquitous parachute payments to do that.
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May 6, 2024 10:57:29 GMT
Post by malteser on May 6, 2024 10:57:29 GMT
Would Moysie fancy finishing off what he tried to do years ago. He might just feel sorry for us and give it a go. I think that's probably dreaming but hey ho.
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May 6, 2024 12:39:10 GMT
Post by dawsonsjs on May 6, 2024 12:39:10 GMT
I wouldn't want him! And I've known him to talk to and like him as a person.
'Going back' rarely works. In any event when he was manager I know just how hard he worked...he'd be up and down the M6/M1 talking in even 3 matches a day, working all hours. In his 60s and a multi-millionaire would he want to do that, would he be capable?...Evidence from West Ham is that whilst his management judgement remains sound there's been some loss of mojo when it comes to organisation/motivation .
I've no doubt his skills, knowledge, contacts etc could be invaluable but we need a much younger coach with a knowledge of the Championship...ones with something to prove and whose career is on the up.
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May 7, 2024 12:02:15 GMT
Post by markos50 on May 7, 2024 12:02:15 GMT
This is from his Wiki page, it will amuse some, irritate others and send many over the edge! Whatever you think of him it is quite funny !!
Lowe's managerial style has been influenced by Jürgen Klopp, Pep Guardiola, Rafa Benítez and Lowe's long-time friend Steven Gerrard, among others.[3] He is attack-minded, and Bury in 2018–19 were one of the Football League's highest-scoring teams; their style, described as "gung-ho",[3] soon brought success as the club finished second in League Two and earned promotion back to League One.[38] Lowe explained in an interview with The Guardian that he wanted to instil a "winning philosophy" and that, by outscoring their opponents, Bury would have a greater chance of achieving that goal. The on-field strategy is effectively a 3-1-4-2 formation.[3
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May 7, 2024 12:50:40 GMT
Post by dawsonsjs on May 7, 2024 12:50:40 GMT
Bury didn't outscore opponents without reason, they also outspent them....with money it did not have and it's hard to imagine that Lowe did not know this.
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May 8, 2024 11:12:06 GMT
Post by daveoggy on May 8, 2024 11:12:06 GMT
This is from his Wiki page, it will amuse some, irritate others and send many over the edge! Whatever you think of him it is quite funny !! Lowe's managerial style has been influenced by Jürgen Klopp, Pep Guardiola, Rafa Benítez and Lowe's long-time friend Steven Gerrard, among others.[3] He is attack-minded, and Bury in 2018–19 were one of the Football League's highest-scoring teams; their style, described as "gung-ho",[3] soon brought success as the club finished second in League Two and earned promotion back to League One.[38] Lowe explained in an interview with The Guardian that he wanted to instil a "winning philosophy" and that, by outscoring their opponents, Bury would have a greater chance of achieving that goal. The on-field strategy is effectively a 3-1-4-2 formation.[3 markos50, He is nearly as deluded as Medal Winner and that's saying something.
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Post by markos50 on May 10, 2024 12:25:29 GMT
There have been several threads where discussing Ryan Lowe have appeared, but this one seems the best to express views. The call for RL to go or be sacked is understandable and many on Pebble have let their feelings known. A few years ago I may have sat with the “sack” camp but I think I have become a little more tolerable to the difficult position managers face.
PNE have sacked many managers and in recent years and the only sacking \ external appointment that truly worked up to now was Westley out and Grayson in.
Gary Peters, who I believe is not given enough credit for what he did at PNE was moved upstairs and Moyes took over. Peters brought Moyes in from Celtic and he almost took us to the PL. After Craig Brown was sacked, BD moved up to manager and went closer than Moyes in getting PNE to the PL. The evidence therefore tends to suggest that sacking and appointing does not work. Irvine, Neil had some limited success, but it was short lived & neither have gone elsewhere and set the world alight. Less said about Fergi Jnr & Phil Brown the better.
I’m not keen on RL but I’ll tolerate him, he makes strange choices in terms of game plan, team selection. However, based on the following I’m prepared to give him some more time; • He is quite young and is still leaning • He has limited resources [in real terms] to strengthen the squad let alone meet high wages bill • He has a very, very limited squad, with several players who need to be moved on and replaced • He had to manage several injuries this season, some seen, some not, hence playing a few out of position • He needs to learn to adapt to certain games • He needs to get the team playing in a more positive style
I also think the way the season has gone has not helped, we have had good spells, average spells and awful spells, yet we finished 10th I would suggest if those wins and losses had not come in groups of games, but had been spread out across the season the gloom that some feel may not have been so noticeable.
One last point. Ryan and his average team provided me with one of the best away experiences of my “PNE life” this season….the 1-2 win at Blackburn. It still gives be an emotional hit when I think about it and see it on the screen before KO UTW
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Post by dawsonsjs on May 10, 2024 17:40:04 GMT
All fair comment..be a dull forum if we all saw things the same way.
When you sack without having a replacement lined up then that puts pressure on you to get someone in. A consistent feature of PNE's history when doing this is to appoint someone on the basis of a season or two's success at a lower level. Ferguson, Simpson, Westley, Lowe etc and it has never been a success.
The real issue I would suggest is the quality of the appointment...Ridsdale has shown his ineptitude in this regard...his best appointments, Grayson and Neil, being easy and obvious ones because of their previous experience at this level and being out of work and no compensation being required.
Besides the issue of selecting a manager I think the other matter that your bullet points reflect upon is the continuing inability of the club to develop its own players.
All managers in any walk of life have to manage with the resources available to them..the PNE wage bill is by no means the lowest in the division ....and I would maintain that Lowe has not only failed to make the most of what he has got he has also shown no signs of learning and thereby improving the team's results...and it's not just about results it's also about performances. The team seems to have been able to lift itself for 'big games' such as derbies and Leeds but once the season was effectively over began to go through the motions.
Over two seasons the team has shown no noticeable improvement in performances and results...and the time to replace a manager is before a season starts to give a new one a chance to address the needs of the side before the League begins. Bringing someone when you are in a position of playing 'catch-up' and when little can be done on the player front because of contracts handed out ruins more than one season.
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May 11, 2024 9:07:42 GMT
Post by malteser on May 11, 2024 9:07:42 GMT
Agree, but when is he going. I just want success for my team and this guys had long enough. Got the basis of a good team especially going forward but you wouldn't think so looking at the goals for column. Poor manager and out of his depth tactically.
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