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Post by Mooney on Jul 23, 2024 14:15:35 GMT
Don’t mind losing in pre season, but the manner of substitutes was weird. Mawene on after half an hour and then taken off on the hour? Weird. So we played 3 different RWBs. Seary, Mawene and Potts.
Anyway, bring on the real stuff!
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Post by pnebraddy87 on Jul 23, 2024 17:30:15 GMT
Don’t mind losing in pre season, but the manner of substitutes was weird. Mawene on after half an hour and then taken off on the hour? Weird. So we played 3 different RWBs. Seary, Mawene and Potts. Anyway, bring on the real stuff! Guessing we’ve just tried to get minutes into as many as well can, really busy week playing Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday & Tuesday. Guess we will start to see 90 minutes on Saturday. Could do with seeing McCann & Osmajic before pre-season is over or it’s going to be a tough few months for them. |
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Post by pnebraddy87 on Jul 23, 2024 19:32:01 GMT
I think a big negative from these performances will be denying the chances of getting some of these young lads decent loans. Surely we must be saying, go out there and impress and put yourself in the loan window for a league club. Mainly young team today, 2-0 after 15 minutes.
I think Saturday he will go with close to his Sheff Utd team and get 70-90 mins in them. I’m expecting,
Woodman
Storey Lindsay Hughes
Potts Stefan Whiteman Brady
Mads Greenwood
Keane
Guessing a day off tomorrow so if we do manage to get 1 or 2 in before Saturday then maybe then will get a little 20 minute run out.
If we are able to get Camara and Gilchrist in then I hope to god we’re still looking at LWB and LCB as them 2 would give us a really exciting looking right side.
You just know if we pulled them to off we will see Camara at LWB (not his natural position) and Gilchrist at RWB (not his natural position). LL will cover Hughes (car crash across there) with Whatmough and Bauer able to cover CCB!
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jul 23, 2024 20:45:52 GMT
What's happened to Riis, Osmajic and McCann?
I think an issue with Greenwood is where you play him.
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Post by pnebraddy87 on Jul 23, 2024 21:15:55 GMT
What's happened to Riis, Osmajic and McCann? I think an issue with Greenwood is where you play him. Riis is getting game time, I can just see him going with a box midfield with Greenwood and Mads in behind and I think Keane probs plays the lone striker the best. McCann not over his injury from last season and Osmajic apparently has a back muscle injury. Only run out been in Spain. |
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Post by Phantom Winger on Jul 24, 2024 6:20:24 GMT
Pre season from a spectator's view is seeing the new lads play. I can't go now on Saturday bit disappointed.
Hope to see one friendly before the new season. Good job we don't care about the outcome.
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Post by birkdale18 on Jul 24, 2024 6:51:22 GMT
Don’t mind losing in pre season, but the manner of substitutes was weird. Mawene on after half an hour and then taken off on the hour? Weird. So we played 3 different RWBs. Seary, Mawene and Potts. Anyway, bring on the real stuff! Thought from the initial Line-up he was going to play 4-4-2 with Seary & Best as Full backs. Too much to expect |
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jul 24, 2024 7:16:28 GMT
Thanks braddy for the answer.
I actually think thee is decent mid/top half side in there if required positions can be addressed...we ship too many goals. However given the price of transfers (£3m for lb Harrison Burrows to Blades) I am not optimistic on that score.
There's going to be little between a lot of clubs again this season and small margins will make a big difference to where you finish...without sorting out the defence and wb positions I fear we will be at the wrong end of the table.
I havn't seen the young players in pre-season so I don't know if they have come on or not...when I've watched in the past not one has stood out to me as having Champ potential, Elder Mawene being the best but a long way short of Championship football. Best clearly has a terrific left foot but his best position to me needs to be sorted. He is no wb.
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Post by pnebraddy87 on Jul 24, 2024 7:41:27 GMT
Haven’t seen any pre-season yet myself, will be on Saturday and Everton, might go to Salford yet as well.
Reports have sounding promising on young Pasiek at LWB and Theo Mawene has looked lively in parts. Both goals came down our left yesterday by the sound of it with Best at LCB and Pasiek at LWB, sounds like they had quite a bit of joy down that side in the first 20 so shows they’re probs well off the level and need decent loans.
Pasiek has only just stepped up so no rush but I think Seary, Mawene and Best have got to be getting out to at least conference level loans this summer.
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Post by Mooney on Jul 24, 2024 8:29:15 GMT
Don’t mind losing in pre season, but the manner of substitutes was weird. Mawene on after half an hour and then taken off on the hour? Weird. So we played 3 different RWBs. Seary, Mawene and Potts. Anyway, bring on the real stuff! Thought from the initial Line-up he was going to play 4-4-2 with Seary & Best as Full backs. Too much to expect 1 What? Actually play a formation that the personnel suits? Think you've had too much sun! |
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Post by Mooney on Jul 24, 2024 8:34:11 GMT
Not going Saturday - was going to rush back from Birmingham to get there but decided against it, mainly for family reasons. I'm off down to Edgbaston tomorrow. Night out Thursday, Test Match Friday and then out Friday night. Need to spend some time at home over the weekend.
Hope that the game is a good one. For me this is where pre-season starts. I expect a strong XI and an indication of who is in RL's thoughts for the new season. Currently looks like we will start
Woodman
Potts Storey Lindsay Hughes Brady (There's been talk of transfers, but...)
Whiteman Thordarrson
Greenwood Mads
Riis or Keane
Riddler promised the team would be stronger than how we ended last season... wouldn't be like him to over-promise/stretch the truth would it? Fully anticipate 2 incoming before weekend, but probably on the bench on Saturday.
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Post by Phantom Winger on Jul 25, 2024 6:33:15 GMT
To me that's a very competitive 11. We need some additions down the flanks.
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Post by Mooney on Jul 25, 2024 6:50:29 GMT
To me that's a very competitive 11. We need some additions down the flanks. The weakness for me is the entire backline! I reckon you and I have more pace than the back 3. |
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Post by Phantom Winger on Jul 25, 2024 9:04:27 GMT
To me that's a very competitive 11. We need some additions down the flanks. The weakness for me is the entire backline! I reckon you and I have more pace than the back 3. Haha not sure about that Mooney. You definitely. Reckon I could have given Greg a run for this money though 🤣 |
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Post by superiorno1pne on Jul 25, 2024 9:59:19 GMT
Woodman Hughes Storey Potts Rills 5 first division players for me. And I don’t rate the centre back his positional play and defending questionable. Sorry I see it as it is going nowhere Chuck in Ledson and that will make us be relegation fodder. You can’t succeed with a first division team (mostly) in the championship, with a manager who should manage in the lower leagues. Everton sold out their end and will be in other areas at 25 quid a pop I will be in the Lakes chilling.
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Post by mid010101 on Jul 25, 2024 13:08:11 GMT
To me that's a very competitive 11. We need some additions down the flanks. The weakness for me is the entire backline! I reckon you and I have more pace than the back 3. Got to agree you no pace in any of them |
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Post by birkdale18 on Jul 25, 2024 19:45:21 GMT
To me that's a very competitive 11. We need some additions down the flanks. The weakness for me is the entire backline! I reckon you and I have more pace than the back 3. I've got more pace than the back 3- & I'm 80yrs 😂 |
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Post by birkdale18 on Jul 25, 2024 19:54:36 GMT
I'm going with 13 Everton Supporters, some of them in the Away end. I expect us to be overcome by better players - I may be wrong but don't trust this Manager. The Everton Manager is soo much better than ours. Can't bestSouthport, can't beat Trannere, can't really beat anyone to my mind. Just hope we won't get relegated but not optimistic. Lowest Ive been for a few years. Can we get Sean Dyche after Everton sack him for not being Competitive?
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Post by Mooney on Jul 25, 2024 20:35:04 GMT
The weakness for me is the entire backline! I reckon you and I have more pace than the back 3. Haha not sure about that Mooney. You definitely. Reckon I could have given Greg a run for this money though 🤣 Ha ha. You walk faster than Lindsay sprints! |
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jul 25, 2024 20:52:39 GMT
Well I think Everton are carp and have been for years. Club also continues to be in a chronic financial mess and I note the latest ones to show an interest have now pulled out and they are saying the club is 'unbuyable' such is the level of debt. The best outfield player, Branthwaite wants out. How much longer will Pickford be there?
We'll stuff them.
We are not that bad... if everyone fit and available we are a mid-table side.
Problem I see that needs sorting is that because the back 3 are so slow (years ago I posted on here that Storey is slow and got dog's abuse for it) there is a need for two defensive central midfielders. We then end up with an enormous gap in the middle (invariably get overrun in midfield) and fail to get enough bodies into the box quick enough.
I'm happy with Riis..he's ungainly to look at but 19 goals the season before last before injury and a £10m bid from Boro tells me that he's more than adequate in the Champ. Scored some cracking goals.
A key player for me is McCann..got to keep him fit.
We really need to get in Gilchrist and the Belgian defender and we'll be fine...a good 12th or thereabouts again.
Where's Millar..gone anywhere? Love to have him back.
Greenwod? Mmm ...never lived up to early promise , so far.
Major problem we have got is a clueless manager but I've said I'm prepared to see how he gets on this season even though I think he is too thick to learn and too full of his own opinion to change.
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Post by superiorno1pne on Jul 25, 2024 22:10:22 GMT
Giving him a season? Might come back to haunt you Daws! Agree with McCann potentially our best player. Don’t see it with Rills sorry but it’s all about opinions.
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jul 26, 2024 5:52:54 GMT
No I wouldn't give Lowe a season, I'd have shown him the door by now....but he's got (virtually) his own squad by now and I am prepared to see how he goes on this season. If it's the same tripe as he has served up over the last 2 years then he needs to go. In view of what Craig Hemmings said he is on thin ice and if we are struggling by Christmas he'll be gone. Even if we are mid table or higher I' be surprised if his contract was renewed when it is up.
I don't think he has the ability/know how to turn the quality of football around , you could say this is down to the quality of players he has got and/or an unbalanced squad but it is clear to me that he doesn't now how to get the best out of the players he has got...Alan Browne was a particular example being played anywhere, Millar put on the right wing, Osmajic dropping off (even put him at wb once)..I could go on and on, Woodman, for example , has got worse. I'm struggling to think of a single player who has improved.
However there is no point in going into a new season and thinking this is going to be the same again...I am prepared to see how we go on. And it's not just about, or even about, results to me ...I want to see the team at least try and play watchable football.
What will change my mind very quickly is if we start to get stuffed again, shipping 4 or more goals in a game...because that will show just useless Lowe is in addressing a fundamental weakness.
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Post by superiorno1pne on Jul 26, 2024 8:55:11 GMT
Good points Daws but defensively we will get caught and we won’t score enough Rills needs to many chances as does Keane. Milly may come good if they play to his strengths
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Post by daveoggy on Jul 26, 2024 11:08:38 GMT
Good points Daws but defensively we will get caught and we won’t score enough Rills needs to many chances as does Keane. Milly may come good if they play to his strengths My worry is your last comment, when has Lowe set up a team to play to the players strengths. He has consistently played square pegs in round holes. |
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jul 26, 2024 11:54:58 GMT
That is because he is a tactical genius..he sees things that us mere mortals who have never played professionally can't see. Instead of criticising you should listen more carefully to what he says...did you know, for instance, that every time we win a League game (what's your memory like, can you recall?) it is entirely down to the way he has set up the team and his instructions? Listen to him before faulting then you might understand what he is doing better. Where he puts a player may look bonkers, looking like he hasn't thought through what he has trying to achieve, but this is not his fault. When it fails (sorry, if it fails) it will be down to the players not listening to him and doing as he has told them. You need to realise that he is so good that he is above criticism instead of being so naive, so foolish as to think you can identify anything wrong with what he does.
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Post by Phantom Winger on Jul 26, 2024 12:02:36 GMT
Personally I wouldn't knock our strikers. Riis and Keane are both capable of good returns in the championship.
Our best side is a competitive championship side - 10th-12th place but we desperately need reinforcements for the flanks not square pegs in round holes as others have said. Keeper ain't great.
Let's see what October brings. By then it's stick or twist time I would imagine.
If we don't acquire wing backs as such then buy good quality full backs. If good enough they satisfy that role.
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jul 26, 2024 12:51:27 GMT
Storey, Lindsay and Hughes could not catch a cold. In two seasons we've finished with minus 14 and a minus 12 goal difference.
It's a great shame because I suspect Storey is a thoroughly decent lad who gives his best (met once and he was very nice). Lindsay will put his body on his line and I don't always agree with others re Hughes.
That they are so slow upsets the balance in the entire team because of the cover they require.
It doesn't help having a keeper who doesn't command his box and is slow to come out.
We sit ridiculously deep to stop anyone getting around the back.
Given this situation and the lack of wbs the 'obvious' step is to change the shape of the team.
Will that happen? Will Nigel Farage admit Brexit is a financial disaster?
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Post by birkdale18 on Jul 26, 2024 20:32:03 GMT
Bolton drew tonight 1-1 with Fiorentina - then they play us tomorrow. Glad I didn't get a ticket.
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Post by themaclad on Jul 27, 2024 6:00:11 GMT
dawsonsjs, Will that happen? Will Nigel Farage admit Brexit is a financial disaster? Fastest growng economy in G7(and yes I can provide the evidence) and the one thing about being in the EU at least we could put the Olympic flag up the correct way
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Post by dawsonsjs on Jul 27, 2024 10:52:13 GMT
We are going off track Themac but Canada has the fastest growing economy of G7 nations....last time UK had this record was in 2021 and that was due to the starting position. The real comparison is with EU countries,,,and whilst Ukraine has hit the German economy we are still lagging way behind other Western countries . Indeed in 2018 the Tory gov's own forecast was that as a direct consequence of Brexit UK growth would be stunted by between 2% and 8% for the next 15 years. Bloomberg (indep. market analysts) estimate that so far Brexit has cost UK £100 billion a year! The UK is the only country in the world to ever vote for trade sanctions on itself..thanks to people believing liars like Farage.
Really brought it home to me on recent Euro German trip and visiting Dusseldorf, Dortmund, Bonn. Cologne, staggering Frankfurt (benefitted from finance sector moves from London post-Brexit) etc just how far we have fallen behind in the last 8 years. Put our cities to shame. We can beat then for charity shops, food banks and closed up retail stores though.
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Anyway back to the footy I'm just about to set off...don't see that the Bolton match is of any significance. It's a friendly, squads are used, no urgency, result doesn't matter. Don't blame anyone for not going but it's PNE and I'm ready for the season to start.
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